Successful On A Fruit Based Diet (80-10-10)? Interview with Chris Kendall By Ka Sundance
Wonder how to be successful on a high fruit raw food diet?
Check out this this interview Ka did with me for his site this past weekend!!
I spent a few days with Ka Sundance and His Family, The RawFoodFamily at their beautiful home in Finca Ipe here in Costa Rica!!
We had a really really great time together, in fact I filmed a bunch and will be making a video all about it as well as a really amazing new project Ka is Putting together I will be a part of!!
But to this video, I will announce more about that soon!!
I really hope you enjoy the interview a ton, I feel a lot of good questions were asked, thanks Ka, and that I did pretty well 🙂
One thing I actually wanted to say in the video but forgot till after.
I have been 100% raw 811 for nearing 8 years now and can say I feel better in every conceivable way possible month after month, year after year. Having found unparalleled growth in strength endurance flexibility passion purpose clarity compassion consciousness connection and awareness its been my passion and joy to share this information n Sweetness.
As McMatre says “Feeling this good was not meant to be Done Alone Now”
At 31 I feel better than I have since I was 13, my energy endurance and recovery are rediculous!
Ive heard concerns about nutritional sufficiency living on a high fruit low fat raw vegan diet, some people asking me and wondering about blood tests on a Raw Vegan Diet, To me the Proof is in the Pudding.
I have had 3 years in a row of Full spectrum Blood Tests, Urine Tests, Applied Kinesiology, Bio Impedance testing with 2 MD’s n 2 other PT/DC’s on my 5 th 6th and 7th full year of being raw. Each and every professional that tested me to the fullest of their expertise Literally said “These are the best test results I have ever seen in my life”. Each was blown away and said they hadn’t seen such high levels of health and low levels of toxicity ever. Check these two Raw Vegan Blood Work Video Blogs (Blood test 2, Blood Test 3) with written posts and the test results posted.
I haven’t taken a supplement nor use super foods or feel the need to drink green juices,
whole, fresh, ripe, raw n preferably Organic Fruits and Veggies when hungry till full….
No Limits.. No Guilt…
Enjoyment is the key,
I am Loving it!
As a Registered Holistic Nutritionist, a long term Raw Vegan Athlete,consistently Pushing my Limits, living full time as a Raw Food Lifestyle coach, having coached hundreds of people from all diets, raw and cooked I can say unequivocally not only is the 80/10/10 diet sustainable but it is the Optimal Lifestyle for The highest levels of Health and fitness on every level of being!
I truly Belive the Raw Food Lifestyle is Right for Everyone, simply Not everyone Is For the Raw Food Lifestyle.
Hope you loved the interview and the other posts!! 🙂
If you ever have a question comment concern or could simply use a ear or a hand do reach out,
always a pleasure to help where I can 🙂
Full Interview Transcript:
K: Hello everybody. This is Ka Sundance and my dear friend, Chris Kendall.
C: Hello guys. Blessings.
K: Hello everyone in YouTube world or wherever you’re watching. In this YouTube, I would like to share the space with my dear friend Chris. He’s staying with us here in our farm for a couple of days, while our cats are running around like crazy. And we’re just sharing, he’s sleeping with us. And we co-create, we share and….
C: In a separate room (laughs).
K: …in a separate room, that’s right. No, we don’t share the room with each other, not yet. No, I’m married, I’m happily married, and we have four kids. So, we shouldn’t have talked about this.
C: I’m sorry. Now it’s on YouTube.
K: You brought it up now.
C: I’m sorry. I’m sorry (breathes deeply).
K: I’m serious right now…very dead serious. I would like to share with you today the 80-10-10 diet…high fruit-based diet. It’s not how I live, but Chris has been doing this for several years. And this movement is growing kind of like crazy, I feel, and so, Chris is one of the few guys I know personally where this lifestyle is working really successfully.
I thought I would present this to you who are interested in health and raw foods. And that he can share some of his secrets, why this works for him. So maybe I’ll just give you the word right now. What would you say is…how do you make the 80-10-10, high fruit-based diet work?
C: Okay. First, I would really like to thank you for giving me this opportunity, because this is my passion, this is my heart, and this is what I like to present. Because I’ve been studying nutrition for 12 years, and when I was in schooling for nutrition, I found the raw food diet and I found and met Doug Graham and 80-10-10. And it just simplified diet, lifestyle and health to the bare minimum…just to common sense. That’s what kind of what hit me so hard…just the common sense of it. And when I started applying it and when I wanted to apply it, it was easy. It was really, really, easy.
And that would be the first tip that I would give: Stepping away from the, “I need to” mentality or the “I should” mentality, or away from the things we think intellectually we need for ourselves and step back into what you truly want. Align your lifestyle and your actions with what you truly want. So if you really, really want…and really check in with yourself…that’s what it’s all about: coming into yourself and looking at where you’re at right now. Looking at how you’re there and what kind of actions are getting you where you are and decide from there if you need to change your actions. Because if you’re satisfied with where you’re at, you’re not going to feel any need. But if you’re not satisfied, you need to check yourself.
If you want to experience the highest levels of health, if you want to really detox yourself at a really deep cellular level, if you want increased athletics, if you want more clarity…then cleaning up your diet, no matter how you do it, is the answer. Myself, I found that high fruit, low fat, lots of fruits, lots of vegetables just really gives me everything. There’s no equation in health, there’s no equation in, the energetics or the ecology or animal cruelty or anything like that that you can really find a negative for. So, to me, it’s just really made sense in that way.
K: And it’s true. Just so you know, yesterday he was sleeping here with us and I saw him yesterday and he was eating 10 mangoes or something…or 8 mangoes. I don’t know, but it was a lot of mangoes he was eating at once. And you still have a lot of muscles and stuff (Chris shows muscles).
One thing people run into doing this lifestyle is that they have problems with cravings. So, they say they are not really satisfied just eating fruit. So, what is your secret? Just eat more? What is your answer to this concern people have about not being satisfied on a high-fruit based diet?
C: You know, that’s a super good question, it’s a multi-layered question, because, first off, you have to ask yourself if you are really satisfied. Because if you’re not satisfied in life in general and you’re seeking for food to satisfy you, no matter what you go to, you’re not going to be satisfied as soon as you’ve eaten the food.
K: That’s a good answer right there.
C: So, realistically, most people I coach, or a good percentage of people I coach…it’s centered around emotions, it’s centered around really finding the root of their unease or of their dissatisfaction and acknowledging that, allowing it to be, sitting with it and pouring love and acceptance into it. Because without that love and without that acceptance, you’re not going to transcend it, and you’re not going to get past it.
There’s always a resistance against it, which always pulls it back and covers you up. So, coming into a more healthful relationship with food and discovering why you’re truly eating is important. We’re eating to satiate and we’re eating for enjoyment, but we’re eating to nourish ourselves. And it’s definitely, definitely true that when we’re on a more high-nutrient based diet, a more high-volume based diet, we can satiate those triggers.
When we actually fulfill our nutrient needs, it’s a lot easier to be happy. It’s a lot easier to be content, because our hormones come into natural balance. Our energy needs come into balance. Our sleep schedules come into balance with all that hormonal balance. And so, it makes it easier.
But a lot of people find they have cravings very simply because they’re used to a high-calorie, low-volume, low-nutrient based diet. They’re always getting satisfied calorically but they’re never getting satisfied nutritionally or volume-wise, so they’re eating, eating, eating the wrong foods and getting fatter and fatter and more depressed. When you switch to a really…
K: And malnutrition on top of it.
C: Malnutrition, which contributes to all those feelings…all those emotional problems. The more toxic their body is, the more crud they have flowing through their system. And a lot of the time, your mood swings, your mood swings up and down, aren’t even necessarily you. It’s the toxemia, or the by-products of the intestinal bacteria, flooding your bloodstream with crap, and your body is reacting to that. You get headaches, you feel nauseated and anxious, and you feel like crap.
K: If I can sum this up for a second. You said it was a multi-layered answer. And one thing is to work on your mindset. If you have cravings, one thing is to really not find the satisfaction from food but to work on your mindset. And the second question was to really, truly enhance your diet in order to get more nutrients flowing through your bloodstream and therefore, keeping depression or any of those things down.
C: Coming back into balance, and then the third thing is—because people are so used to that low-volume, low-nutrition, high-calorie diet—when you step into a high-volume, high-nutrition, low-calorie diet, which that’s the raw food diet, the exact opposite, they find that they’re way more satisfied in smaller meals, because they’re getting more nutrition than they’ve ever eaten and they’re getting more volume than they’ve ever eaten. But they’re not meeting that calorie fill.
So they feel confused, because they feel, “I’m so stuffed, I’m so satisfied, but then I’m still craving food at the end of the day.” It’s because they’re getting more nutrition and more volume, but they’re not quite adept at getting the calories, which comes with the volume, the amount of food. Like you said, you saw me eat about eight mangoes, and actually before that I ate 12 tomatoes.
I’ve been doing this for eight years. Where I’m at is different from where somebody would be at on the first week, month, year, or maybe even the first two years. It took me about two years to really simplify my diet and expand my digestive capacities to be able to eat two meals.
K: So, then, I think this would be the interesting point now for most people watching this, I know, right now…because you always see people like you promoting this who are at the point where they just eat almost mono meals and big amounts of that. So, how did you do this? And what can you tell people who are just starting with this diet who can’t eat just eat 20 tomatoes and be happy with this? What is the way of transitioning to this high-fruit based diet?
C: Well, first off—and this comes back to how to succeed too in it—is that you pick the foods you love the most. I don’t eat anything for nutrition anymore. I don’t eat anything because I think it’s good for me. I don’t eat anything out of intellectual concepts.
K: (Picks up dog in lap. Dog yaps) I thought you wanted to be with us.
C: I think he does. You know, I really eat out of love. I eat the foods that I just naturally vibe with and I enjoy the absolute most and I’m the most satisfied with. So, first and foremost, I’d say, eat as many meals as it takes of the foods you enjoy the most, starting with fruit.
That’s the thing. You start with fruit and you eat, literally, between as much as you want and as much as you can. I learned from Doug Graham that you eat between as much as you want and as much as you can. Once you’re getting to the point where you’re pretty full, just have a little bit more.
If you stop enjoying it, that to me is the body’s signal. If you stop enjoying, don’t force it. I’m not a calorie pusher who says, “You’ve got to have this much every single day.”
No, as long as you’re eating between as much as you want and as much as you can, and being totally satisfied. And once you stop enjoying it, stop. Grab some vegetables. Eat some lettuce, eat some greens, eat some celery, or eat some cucumbers. Whatever you want…and then if you feel like a little bit more sweet, go back to it, because lettuce, celery, all those tender greens, they mix really well with fruits.
This is a recipe for success. Just when you’re hungry, eat fruit. If you’re not hungry for fruit, either you could be just drinking some water, taking a breath, or going for a walk until you really are hungry. Or eat some vegetables. You can follow up any fruit meal with vegetables if you want, but you don’t have to.
K: I like this very simple notion. If you’re craving sugar or you’re hungry for sweet, you eat fruits. And if you want salty, then you go for veggies.
C: That’s it. Eat until you’re full…and eat until you’re satisfied, right? This is the guilt-free diet. You can eat as much of the foods you want. There’s no restriction.
Literally, I tell some people in the beginning—because it is a challenge to expand their capacity—not only physically but mentally. And the biggest thing is that we’re so tied up in the mentality, “I can only eat so much. I should fill my stomach half full… If I eat too much, I’m a pig”…especially with women.
No, when you’re eating fruits, literally try and get fat. I dare you. Seriously, try. But once you stop enjoying it, stop. That’s the ticket. Literally, eat as much as you want. When you stop enjoying it, stop.
If you do that as many times as it takes during the day to be satisfied so you’re not craving food all night, then you don’t have cravings any more. And for most people, that means that’s 4, 5, or 6 meals a day when they’re first starting. And it’s important to trust your instincts. And when you stop enjoying it, stop. Because that might mean 4 bananas and you’re done. That’s why you’re eating 6 meals of 4 bananas.
But eventually, not only your physiology but your actual physical ability to eat and digest larger meals just grows when you’re running by that concept—between as much as you want and as much as you can. When you’re running in those kinds of concepts, then you’re stretching your capacity physically, mentally, and digestively…so eventually, you can get down to 2 or 3 meals like I d. I can eat about 15 – 20 bananas in a sitting, and then not be hungry at all for 6, 7, or even 8 hours. To me, that’s freeing.
K: It is, definitely. But again, we have to say that you’ve been doing this for many, many years right now.
C: I’ve been doing it for years.
K: How do you respond to people who have tried the diet and told that they have been malnourished, or they really became sick, or also checked their levels and they were just not really… You have more nutrients in the vegetables, more minerals than you would have in the fruits. How do you respond to those concerns? A lot of people are afraid of being malnourished on a high-fruit based diet.
C: That’s a great question. It’s one I get a lot of the time. It ties into protein and nutrient needs. When I really came to understand…and like I said, I’ve been studying nutrition for a long, long time. I studied from Chinese doctors to Ayurvedas to classic nutritionists to holistic nutritionists. I’m a holistic nutritionist myself.
And then I’ve learned from raw food experts— yourself and other raw food experts like Dr. Graham and a host of other people. And the more I research about the nutritional benefits of fruits and the nutritional qualities of fruits, and then also about our distinct nutrient needs, I came in to the understanding that fruit, as a whole, fits our actual nutrient needs better than any food on the planet.
If we look at how much protein we need—how much essential fatty acids we need, how much carbohydrates we need, how much vitamins, how much minerals, all of those things—as a pie graph, fruit matches that whole pie graph and hits more of the walls in every single category than any other food. Any nutrient that we can look at that is a food-related nutrient…so, vitamin D and B12 aren’t necessarily food-related nutrients, so we’ll leave those aside for now.
But when we’re looking at the food-related nutrients, fruit is always either number one as the best source, or number two. And, in most categories, it’s number one. But in the ones that it’s number two, vegetables come number one in, which is actually fiber, and minerals and co-minerals, but they complement each other well. They really complement each other well.
When I understand that these foods are the highest nutrient foods per calorie out of any food on the planet, once again, if I’m getting all my calories from fruits and vegetables, I literally can’t be getting more nutrition.
So, what it really stems back to when people have nutritional issues is usually either:
- They’re coming into it with nutritional issues and it’s going to take them a while to rebalance and to come back up, or
- They have very, very prominent digestive issues. And that happens a lot, because sometimes people think, “You need this many calories per day and you’ve got to stuff yourself and if you don’t do it….” If you overwork your digestive system and you’re just pounding back food when your body isn’t ready for it, you’re going to end up with a lack of proper digestion, without good utilization and absorption.
K: So, how would you deal with that problem then? Because the second problem seems to be more like a thing that you need to take good care of. Because if you have a digestive problem it means you can’t absorb the minerals and the nutrients the way a healthy system is able to. What do you do then?
C: Well, I don’t like cookie-cutter approaches. There definitely are some generic answers to that. But with each person I would specify what works, what vibrates, what brings up the least amount of stress with them, and what works with their lifestyle. In ideal circumstances, what I would say if someone has a severe digestive disorder, personally I would go towards fasting. But some people are very fearful of that. Some people are in an environment or in a lifestyle that they just can’t do it.
So there are other options. In most cases I would say fasting. Next to fasting would be mono-eating. So just very simply, eating one food at a time, when you’re hungry to full. It could be anything. I’ve done bananas. I’ve done melons. I’ve done mangoes. I’ve even done tomatoes for a short period of time. But simplifying a diet to a point where your digestive system is still going through, but it’s really eased. There’s minimal work and more vitality that can go towards the cleaning and the healing of the digestive tract. Other methods, you could do a juice fast.
Those would probably really be the three biggest ones, I think: either a full fast, like a water fast, or a juice fast.
C: I’m personally not one for colonics because I really feel that it was designed to go in this way, out that way. I understand that the internal bacteria in our digestive system, in our intestine, in our colon, are there for a reason. When we create imbalances from putting stuff in here (points to mouth), for me, the proper way to correct those imbalances is to put it in here.
To me, colonics, enemas, and all those types of things are like a quick fix approach…like a band aid. People think, “Okay, I’ve been doing this, so I’m just going to hit the reset button and try and start from scratch.”
But what I really see happen…and I’ve talked with tons of people who advocate it. I’ve talked to people who are practitioners. I’ve stayed with them, and what I really often see is that it becomes a band aid approach, it becomes a habit, and it becomes an addiction. People think, every time I eat a little too much, or every time I overdo fat, or every time I go on a cooked food binge, I’ll just take an enema. And it’s like a cycle.
I’ve also talked to some practitioners who used to do that. They used to recommend enemas, and they found that some get trouble from it. They become imbalanced, and a lot of our absorption happens in our colon, right? When you do the enema, you take out all the good bacteria as well as all the bad bacteria. And it leaves you in a state where your body is less able to absorb nutrients for a while, until those bacteria colonies are regrown.
K: Yes, That’s right.
C: So if we’re habitually doing it, we’re really lowering our ability to absorb those nutrients. Instead, if we just get consistent with healthful lifestyle practices; we put fiber in our body this way. Everything flushes out. All fruits and vegetables are natural probiotics, right? So these foods help and feed the health-promoting bacteria colonies in our intestine and within our colon that help digest and utilize those and create nutrients.
Absorption is really magic. Scientists can’t really figure it out…because how it goes from going into our body then all of a sudden being us. It’s bacteria work…it’s not us. And if we don’t have that natural balance, if we’re constantly wiping it out, we don’t get all we can from our food.
K: It makes total sense. I would say it’s a very, very, supernatural approach. Again, if you would look at nature, no animal does an enema or something like that.
C: No, it’s dangerous.
K: But they also don’t eat junk food very much.
C: No, no. I can recognize, and I apologize to interrupt you. I can really recognize that there is no cookie cutter; there is no black or white. There is no, “This is the only way.” I really recognize that, and I personally do feel that there could be some instances where someone is extremely toxic and they have like a crazy bunged up system, and they say, “I’m dedicated…I’m going to do about two or three rounds of colonics to empty myself out, and then I’m actually really going to stick with this. And I’m going to go through this way and just eat those natural pro-biotic foods.”
I recognize that it is a possible approach that could help people.
But I do also recognize that it can create yo-yo-like tendencies where every time they binge, they go back and they wipe out their colon…it creates a trouble addiction, and there is the possibility of damage. Because any time you’re shoving stuff up to places where it doesn’t go, and you’re putting pressure in there, you can have rupturing, you can push bacteria that’s in the colon into the intestine that you don’t want.
I’ve heard of stories of people who have done one or two enemas or colonics, and from then on, they couldn’t go to the bathroom without taking one. I don’t think that’s a common thing, but it’s a risk.
K: Yes, yes.
C: There is a risk associated with any invasive practice.
K: It makes sense. It’s so forceful thing that you do to your system.
The last question I have for you is in regards to teeth. I also was reading about people, and also, the first summer we were eating a very high fruit based diet. But again, it was the first year, so I wouldn’t judge too much upon this, because we were eating lots of cooked food before this.
But, I had the feeling after one year with the kids…that the teeth weren’t as shiny or bright as they used to be. So, what is your response if people say that the teeth get de-mineralized on the 80-10-10 diet? How would you respond to this? How would you solve this problem?
C: Okay. That’s also a great question as well, and it’s also a multi-layered question. Because…
K: Lots of sugar. People always think that, you know, it’s so much sugar I eat with only fruit. Sorry.
C: Sure, for sure. Tooth health is a complex issue, because I don’t know if there’s any diet on the planet that promises perfect dental health. Rarely is it that anyone comes into any diet with perfect dental health.
Dental health and bone health is really a cumulative thing. It’s not something that within a week, month, or even a year, it’s directly related to what you’re doing right now. It’s something that takes a while to build up and to degrade.
So, a lot of people come in to a healthful diet in a crazy, acidic state. They’re been treating themselves really poorly for a long time. And when you’re really highly acidic or when you’re consistently eating foods that create an acidic environment in the body, the body— if it can’t neutralize it with alkalinity in the bloodstream or the tissues—it will go to the bones. It will go to the teeth.
A lot of people come into this diet not knowing that they’ve already been sucking minerals out of their teeth and out of their bones for years. And they’re coming into it in a brittle state.
Then they get into this diet and they say, “This is the perfect diet. I don’t need to ever brush my teeth. I don’t need to do anything,” because some people advocate that. I don’t.
I think taking care of yourself in every single way—nourishing and nurturing yourself in every single way—is really important. And part of that is good dental hygiene…brushing your teeth really well at least once a day.
If I were to pick one between flossing and brushing, I’d pick flossing. I carry floss around with me, and I floss after almost every single meal, and otherwise brush at least once a day…sometimes once every two days. But I think that’s really, really important, you know.
Personally I use baking soda maybe once or twice a month. I find it just has a bit of abrasiveness, and it shines the teeth up, makes them nice and clean and white. And it works really well for me. I do find that if I don’t ever do that, my teeth get a little bit kind of yellowish. Not like I’m a smoker or a coffee drinker.
Otherwise, I think it’s really important, too, to get enough calories, which we kind of talked about. If you’re not getting enough calories, you’re not getting enough total nutrients, you’re not getting enough nutrition and then, once again, your body is going to be leeching from your body before going into a depleted state. And after you cause problems in your body, you’ll be getting into different kind of areas of depletion and malnutrition.
So, getting enough calories first, and then eating enough greens: both of those things are really important. With greens and with fruit in general—I don’t recommend stuffing stuff down just out of the intellectual concept. But instead, what I really recommend is eating for enjoyment, eating for satiation, and experimenting, you know, like try different things. Try green smoothies, try stews…try green soups…Frickin’ Rawsome Recipes (laughs)…
K: That was nice, huh?
C: Frickin’ Rawesome Recipes, on my site, by donation.
C: But, yes, you can try different ways to get greens in. It’s simple some time: eat as much fruit as you want, then grab a head of lettuce and eat it. If you’re enjoying it, grab another head. If you’re not enjoying it, stop. I always find that I go in cycles. Some weeks, months out of the year, I’m just eating greens like crazy, and I’m eating three pounds a day.
Other weeks, other months, I’m eating very little, but I’m eating tons of tomatoes, and cucumbers and zucchinis….other fruit veggies that have a bit more of a mineral balance. I think through getting enough food that way, chewing really, really well—because if we don’t chew it well, our stomach doesn’t have teeth—so, if we don’t chew it well or blend it, we’re not going to be getting the full nutritional benefit.
And then also, I’m also just a huge, huge believer in food combining, mono eating and sequential eating. All of those things, they’re all explained in my recipe book and on my site. But all that kind of stuff just streamlines digestion so that we’re getting all we can out of our food, because in the end, it doesn’t matter what we eat, it matters what we absorb. The simpler we can make it, the more we eat foods that are easily, easily digested and have a high nutrient balance and that we enjoy, the better we’re going to do.
K: That’s right.
C: It’s really simple when it comes down to it: eat the foods you love. Eat as much of them as you want, with no restriction, and then, just vary it throughout the year as the seasons come. It’s just natural, right?
K: Makes total sense. So, it’s not what you eat, it’s what you’re able to absorb that does count. It’s totally right. So, with those really wise words, I think we’ve covered really a lot of different aspects in this interview. I really would like to thank you very much.
C: Sorry if I was yelling, guys (laughs).
K: No, I can feel that you have so much knowledge and wisdom and you want to bring it out fast. I can understand; we just have so much time here.
Again, it’s Chris Kendall of The-Raw-Advantage.com, that’s your website. You also have a YouTube channel. What was the YouTube channel name again?
C: The YouTube channel is YouTubeUserCK1nsh.
K: Oh, my. Maybe I’ll put a link below the video player. You can also check him out. He’s also a skater. He’s a cool guy. It’s not like some of us, being un-cool. He’s a skater.
C: Skateboarder, yogi.
K: Yogi, whatever…fruitarian, or a high-fruit based diet. And thanks so much for being on this interview.
C: My pleasure. Banana commander.
K: Here he comes.
C: I do want to say, just in case I don’t have the URL working right now. It is still TheRawAdvantage.com. Just because, I have both, but The-Raw-Advantage without the dashes, I’m having a bit of trouble. So if this comes out in the new few days…
K: I’m going to make sure to put a link right below the video that is working. So if you want to check him out, just click the link below the video player. I’d also like to thank you, wherever you’re watching on earth, for being with us here on this afternoon in Costa Rica.
If you like this video, please subscribe here on YouTube and like me on Facebook, and be assured that I’m going be back with more LovingLife.TV shows about health, lifestyle, raw food, 80-10-10…whatever…CostaRica, in the next couple of days.
Chris, thank you very much.
C: Thank you so much, Ka. I appreciate it.
K: Thank you guys for watching.
C: See you guys.